User talk:Io Katai

Hachijō Article: How long is too long?

Hi there! Since you've got experience making grammar pages for the Kyushu dialects, I thought you might be a good person to ask for advice on this: I'm currently working on a big expansion (very WIP still) to the Hachijō language page, but I'm concerned that the grammar section is getting far too long with examples and explanations. Should I consider making a separate page(s) for Hachijō grammar as you've done for Kyushu grammar, and just put small summaries on the main Hachijō page? (Alternatively, should I just cut down on material in general?) Thanks for your time. LhikJovan (talk) 02:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi LhikJovan! Wikipedia has a general guideline that if an article hits > 60 kB of readable prose (i.e. text only, not including markup), then it should "probably be divided", and if it hits > 100 kB, then it should "almost certainly be divided" (see WP:SIZERULE). You can enable the tool Prosesize in your preferences to check a page's prose size. (So far your sandbox page is at 31 kB - 45 kB, so it's fine.)

That said, use your judgment. When sections are starting to grow too big or get into too many details (and you're still far from done), definitely consider splitting them into their own articles, as opposed to cutting content out. To give an example, the article Japanese language has a Phonology section that just highlights the consonants and vowels, and then the bulk of phonology is discussed in a separate article, Japanese phonology. I recently did the same with the particle section of the Kagoshima dialect article, leaving a basic/friendly summary at Kagoshima dialect#Particles and then going into detail at Particles of the Kagoshima dialects.

If you're having trouble thinking of what should should appear in a section summary, just remember that "Hachijō language" is the lead page, so it should provide an overview without necessarily getting too complex. Ask yourself questions like "What would a Japanese learner want to know about Hachijō (sounds, particles, grammar, etc.)?", "What would a person with basic linguistic knowledge want to know first about (syntax, morphology, etc.)?", "What's a fun fact about this topic?", etc.

Anyway, hopefully this helps a bit. I do look forward to seeing your finished work :) — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 16:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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